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How Far Can the DSA Go? Peter Hamby on Political Limits

Peter Hamby joins Tim Miller to discuss the limits of the populist left, GOP primary missteps, and the role of charisma in politics.

The populist left, represented by the DSA, shows success in blue urban cores regarding Israel policy and billionaire targeting, but faces limits outside these areas, while the GOP suffered significant primary losses in North Carolina and Georgia.

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62 minJun 24, 2026The Bulwark Podcast

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Limits of Populist Left Success

While the populist left is winning arguments on Israel policy and targeting billionaires in NYC, there are apparent limits to their success outside of blue urban cores.

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GOP Primary Missteps

The Republican party made significant errors in North Carolina and Georgia primaries, with Tim Miller offering a bold prediction on the party's response.

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Controversial Primary Winner

Republicans may capitalize on the victory of Darializa Avila Chevalier, who advocates ending policing and remains ambiguous on whether murderers should go to jail.

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Trump's Aging and Candidate Losses

Donald Trump is showing clear signs of aging, and another of his candidates lost in the recent primaries.

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AOC's Notable Silence

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's silence during this political moment is described as noteworthy.

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How might the GOP respond to their primary losses in North Carolina and Georgia?

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What does the Mamdani sweep in NYC indicate about the future of the populist left?

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How does the power of charisma influence political outcomes?

Background reading

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Context

The DSA and Urban Politics

The discussion highlights the Mamdani sweep in NYC as an indicator of the populist left's current trajectory, noting their focus on Israel policy and billionaires.

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Questions

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What are the limits of the DSA's success?

The success of the populist left appears limited outside of blue urban cores, despite winning arguments on Israel policy and targeting billionaires in NYC.

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How did the GOP perform in recent primaries?

The GOP suffered significant losses in North Carolina and Georgia, with Tim Miller predicting a bold response from the party.

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Who is Darializa Avila Chevalier?

She is a congressional primary winner who wants to end policing and has not specified whether murderers should go to jail.

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What is the significance of AOC's silence?

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's silence is described as noteworthy in the current political climate.

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What role does charisma play in politics?

The episode emphasizes that one should never underestimate the power of charisma in politics.

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Peter Hamby

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Tim Miller

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This guide is based on the episode 'Peter Hamby: How Far Can the DSA Go?' from The Bulwark Podcast, published on 2026-06-24.

  1. Publisher show notes

    The Mamdani sweep in NYC shows that the populist left is winning the arguments about Israel policy and going after billionaires, but it sure seems like there may be limits to their success outside the blue urban core.

  2. Publisher show notes

    And Republicans are likely to make hay with at least one of Tuesday’s congressional primary winners—Darializa Avila Chevalier—who wants to end policing and won’t say whether murderers should go to jail.

  3. Publisher show notes

    But the GOP colossally screwed up in North Carolina and Georgia, and Tim makes a bold prediction about how the party will respond.

  4. Publisher show notes

    Plus, Trump is showing clear signs of aging, another one of his candidates lost on Tuesday, AOC's silence at this moment is noteworthy, and never underestimate the power of charisma in politics.

  5. Publisher show notes

    Peter Hamby joins Tim Miller.

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