Understand the Policy Clash
Learn how new housing legislation conflicts with current immigration policies.
12Housing Policy
The Conflict Between New Homes and Immigrant Workers
Congress passed landmark legislation to boost housing construction, but President Trump's immigration crackdown targets the workforce needed to build them. Ronda Kaysen explains this tension.
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Background reading
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The Legislation
New Housing Laws Pass
Congress passed landmark legislation to address the acute housing shortage.
1The Conflict
Immigration Policy Clashes
President Trump's immigration crackdown targets the workforce required for construction.
2The Context
Labor Force Dependence
Ronda Kaysen explains the housing industry's reliance on immigrant labor.
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To address the United States’ acute housing shortage, Congress recently passed a landmark piece of legislation designed to encourage the construction of new homes.
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The problem is that President Trump’s crackdown on immigration has taken aim at the work force required to build those homes.
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Ronda Kaysen, who covers housing for The New York Times, explains how the U.S. housing industry became so dependent on immigrant labor.
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Guest: Ronda Kaysen, a real estate reporter for The New York Times who covers the intersection of housing and society.
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Background reading:
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• Where did all the American-born roofers go? • Here’s what is in the housing bill that just became law.
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Photo: Philip Cheung for The New York Times
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